Q You've already said the President is going to veto anything that would exempt us from torture. You have -- this White House demeans --
MR. McCLELLAN: No, that's not correct, that's --
Q -- you demean all Americans when you support torture. And your answer is so fuzzy --
MR. McCLELLAN: No, Helen, our answer is very clear, and that's flat-out wrong what you're suggesting, because this President has made it very clear what our policy is --
Q Didn't you say that he would veto any part of that legislation of defense spending?
MR. McCLELLAN: We did express our views on that legislation, but it is not the way you characterized it, because there are laws and treaty obligations that are on the books. We adhere to those laws and treaty obligations.
Q No, you don't. You are supporting torture.
MR. McCLELLAN: You are wrong. This is a -- the United States is a country that --
Q Is the story in the paper today wrong?
MR. McCLELLAN: -- believes in adhering to our laws and our values. And we do. And this President believes in abiding by our laws and our treaty obligations.
Q Why do we keep reading about torture then?
MR. McCLELLAN: Well, if you'll let me respond, I will. The President has made it very clear that he does not condone torture, nor would he ever authorize the use of torture --
Q Condone it, but does he allow it?
MR. McCLELLAN: -- and our policy is to comply with our laws and our treaty obligations. That's what we expect everyone to do. If there are ever instances of wrongdoing, we investigate and we follow through and hold people accountable.
Q That's not the point. He should --
MR. McCLELLAN: Sure it is.
Q -- come out flatly and say he was against torture.
MR. McCLELLAN: He has.
So, which is it Scotty? Does the President not condone, but allow torture? I am sure he does.